{"id":16483,"date":"2013-05-27T13:50:11","date_gmt":"2013-05-27T06:50:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.forestsnews.org\/?p=16483"},"modified":"2015-07-07T11:35:44","modified_gmt":"2015-07-07T04:35:44","slug":"interview-defis-lies-a-la-surveillance-dune-foret-trois-fois-plus-grande-que-la-france","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.forestsnews.org\/fr\/16483\/interview-defis-lies-a-la-surveillance-dune-foret-trois-fois-plus-grande-que-la-france","title":{"rendered":"Interview: d\u00e9fis li\u00e9s \u00e0 la surveillance d&rsquo;une for\u00eat trois fois plus grande que la France"},"content":{"rendered":"<figure id=\"attachment_16468\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-16468\" style=\"width: 500px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-large wp-image-16468\" alt=\"PhD student Prosper Sabongo measures the tree canopy in the billage of Masako, Kisangani, Democratic Republic of Congo. Ollivier Girard\/CIFOR\" src=\"\/\/www.forestsnews.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/05\/monitoring-500x333.jpg\" width=\"500\" height=\"333\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-16468\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Le doctorant Prosper Sabongo mesure la canop\u00e9e dans le village de Masako, Kisangani, en R\u00e9publique D\u00e9mocratique du Congo. Ollivier Girard\/CIFOR<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Alors que les donateurs internationaux envisagent de financer des programmes visant la r\u00e9duction des gaz \u00e0 effet de serre issus de la d\u00e9forestation et de la d\u00e9gradation foresti\u00e8res (REDD+), ils s&rsquo;attendent \u00e0 ce que les pays b\u00e9n\u00e9ficiaires fournissent un suivi et des rapports sur l&rsquo;\u00e9tat de leurs for\u00eats.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Une <\/span><\/span><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><a href=\"\/\/www.cifor.org\/online-library\/browse\/view-publication\/publication\/4094.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\"><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">nouvelle \u00e9tude<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"> publi\u00e9e par le CIFOR souligne les d\u00e9fis de la R\u00e9publique D\u00e9mocratique du Congo (RDC) dans la construction de structures pour g\u00e9rer l&rsquo;aide internationale contre la d\u00e9forestation. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Avec <\/span><\/span><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><a href=\"\/\/www.cifor.org\/online-library\/browse\/view-publication\/publication\/3754.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\"><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">180 millions d&rsquo;hectares<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"> de terres foresti\u00e8res traversant six pays, la for\u00eat tropicale du Bassin du Congo est la deuxi\u00e8me plus grande for\u00eat partag\u00e9e au monde. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Le coordinateur r\u00e9gional du CIFOR pour l&rsquo;Afrique Centrale, Richard Eba\u2019a Atyi, a travaill\u00e9 auparavant comme expert pour le contr\u00f4le des for\u00eats \u00e0 Kinshasa, capitale de la RDC. Il raconte ses exp\u00e9riences \u00e0 <em>Nouvelles des For\u00eats<\/em>. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><b>Q: Quelle \u00e9tait votre implication dans le contr\u00f4le des for\u00eats quand vous travailliez en RDC? <\/b><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><b>R: <\/b>Entre ao\u00fbt 2007 et septembre 2010, j&rsquo;ai particip\u00e9 \u00e0 l&rsquo;\u00e9tablissement d&rsquo;un observatoire pour les for\u00eats d&rsquo;Afrique Centrale. Cela comprenait la publication d&rsquo;un rapport sur l&rsquo;\u00e9tat des for\u00eats de la r\u00e9gion tous les deux ans. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Nous avons d&rsquo;abord d\u00e9fini des indicateurs pour nous aider \u00e0 collecter l&rsquo;information dans six pays, dont la RDC, et nous avons mis en place un groupe de travail national pour collecter les donn\u00e9es. Les indicateurs concernaient la couverture foresti\u00e8re \u2013 cela a \u00e9t\u00e9 fait principalement par t\u00e9l\u00e9d\u00e9tection; la production de concessions boisi\u00e8res; et les zones prot\u00e9g\u00e9es de conservation. Nous avons aussi surveill\u00e9 le cadre institutionnel et l\u00e9gal du pays. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Le groupe de travail national devait remplir les formulaires que nous avions con\u00e7us, pour d\u00e9crire comment ces indicateurs avaient \u00e9volu\u00e9. Puis nous avons organis\u00e9 un atelier annuel pour valider les donn\u00e9es avant d&rsquo;\u00e9crire le rapport sur l&rsquo;\u00e9tat des for\u00eats. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><b>Q: Quelle \u00e9tait votre \u00e9valuation de la capacit\u00e9 du pays \u00e0 surveiller ses for\u00eats \u00e0 l&rsquo;\u00e9poque?<\/b><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><b>R:<\/b> Sa capacit\u00e9 \u00e9tait tr\u00e8s faible. La plupart des ressources humaines \u00e9taient situ\u00e9es \u00e0 Kinshasa, avec quasiment aucune capacit\u00e9 de contr\u00f4le sur ce qui se passait dans les provinces recul\u00e9es. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">De plus, le d\u00e9partement forestier n&rsquo;avait pas vraiment acc\u00e8s aux donn\u00e9es sur les taxes foresti\u00e8res, d\u00e9tenues par les services fiscaux. Ils n&rsquo;avaient pas de dispositif de pr\u00e9sentation des rapports en place pour recevoir et archiver les donn\u00e9es provenant des soci\u00e9t\u00e9s foresti\u00e8res. Parfois le syndicat des soci\u00e9t\u00e9s foresti\u00e8res lui-m\u00eame nous aidait en envoyant ses propres donn\u00e9es. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Avant d&rsquo;\u00eatre bas\u00e9 \u00e0 Kinshasa, j&rsquo;ai men\u00e9 une \u00e9tude pour WWF sur la capacit\u00e9 de l&rsquo;administration foresti\u00e8re de la RDC \u00e0 appliquer les lois foresti\u00e8res et les r\u00e8glementations attenantes. Vous ne me croirez pas \u2013 ils avaient environ 10 personnes dans le service de contr\u00f4le pour s&rsquo;occuper de l&rsquo;ensemble du pays. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><b>Q: Que savez-vous des progr\u00e8s r\u00e9alis\u00e9s depuis lors? <\/b><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><b>R:<\/b><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"> Il y a quelques points positifs. Les soci\u00e9t\u00e9s foresti\u00e8res priv\u00e9es travaillent vraiment dur pour r\u00e9pondre aux demandes du march\u00e9, en terme de certification par exemple. Aussi, la loi exige qu&rsquo;ils fassent des <\/span><\/span><span style=\"color: #222222;\"><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">plans d&rsquo;am\u00e9nagement forestier. Quelques <\/span><\/span><\/span><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.observatoire-comifac.net\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\"><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">concessions boisi\u00e8res ont men\u00e9 des inventaires des for\u00eats<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span><\/span><span style=\"color: #222222;\"><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">, qui sont maintenant disponibles aupr\u00e8s de l&rsquo;administration foresti\u00e8re. Un autre point positif, c&rsquo;est que depuis qu&rsquo;ils ont mis en place une strat\u00e9gie nationale REDD+, ils ont un cadre pour surveiller l&rsquo;utilisation de la for\u00eat sur le plan biologique, social et \u00e9conomique. <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #222222;\"><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Cependant, le foss\u00e9 entre les autorit\u00e9s provinciales et le gouvernement central de Kinshasa est tellement large que la strat\u00e9gie REDD+ n&rsquo;est pas encore appliqu\u00e9e dans les provinces ou au niveau local. <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #222222;\"><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Le gouvernement central qui pr\u00e9sente REDD+ \u00e0 la communaut\u00e9 internationale n&rsquo;a pas le contr\u00f4le aux niveaux provincial et local. Cela s&rsquo;explique parce qu&rsquo;il y a toujours des zones de troubles politiques: quand vous entendez parler de Katanga, les provinces de l&rsquo;Est, la situation politique l\u00e0-bas ne s&rsquo;est pas arrang\u00e9e et cela r\u00e9duit la capacit\u00e9 du gouvernement central \u00e0 surveiller les ressources foresti\u00e8res \u00e0 travers le pays. <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><b>Q: Pourquoi la surveillance, notification et la v\u00e9rification sont importants pour la mise en place des politiques REDD+? <\/b><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><b>R:<\/b> C&rsquo;est la cl\u00e9 \u2013 d&rsquo;abord pour \u00e9tablir une situation de d\u00e9part sur la d\u00e9forestation, les stocks de carbone mais aussi les changements annuels, via des donn\u00e9es physiques comme le couvert forestier, l&rsquo;inventaire forestier, les volumes de stock de carbone, ou \u00e0 travers le contexte social. L&rsquo;id\u00e9e est d&rsquo;avoir une information de base et de contr\u00f4ler par la suite comment les choses \u00e9voluent: est-ce que nous faisons vraiment des progr\u00e8s en terme de r\u00e9duction d&rsquo;\u00e9missions de carbone, ou au moins de r\u00e9duction de la d\u00e9forestation?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><b>Q: Quelles devraient \u00eatre les prochaines priorit\u00e9s de la RDC pour atteindre un niveau de capacit\u00e9 de surveillance suffisant pour appliquer les programmes REDD+?<\/b><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><b>R:<\/b> Malheureusement, la priorit\u00e9 num\u00e9ro un se situe au-del\u00e0 du secteur forestier. Elle se trouve au niveau institutionnel \u2013 am\u00e9liorer la coordination et la communication entre les gouvernements central, provinciaux et locaux. C&rsquo;est la cl\u00e9. Puis ils ont certainement besoin d&rsquo;avoir une sorte d&rsquo;inventaire des ressources foresti\u00e8res \u00e0 l&rsquo;\u00e9chelle nationale.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\">La RDC a besoin d&rsquo;une sorte de vue d&rsquo;ensemble de l&rsquo;utilisation optimale du territoire national, tout en gardant intacts les lieux qu&rsquo;elle veut r\u00e9server aux for\u00eats.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">La RDC a besoin d&rsquo;une sorte de plan d&rsquo;utilisation du territoire pour que le pays puisse d\u00e9terminer comment la conservation des for\u00eats, la gestion des for\u00eats dans la production de bois, les activit\u00e9s mini\u00e8res et agricoles peuvent co-exister. Pour l&rsquo;instant, s&rsquo;ils sont en contact avec une soci\u00e9t\u00e9 chinoise pour l&rsquo;huile de palme, ils choisissent une zone n&rsquo;importe o\u00f9, sans se soucier de savoir si c&rsquo;est bon pour la conservation. Ils donnent aussi des permis pour les mines partout. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"fr-FR\"><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">La RDC a besoin d&rsquo;une sorte de vue d&rsquo;ensemble de l&rsquo;utilisation optimale du territoire national, tout en gardant intacts les lieux qu&rsquo;elle veut r\u00e9server aux for\u00eats. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><i><b>Richard Eba\u2019a Atyi est le coordinateur r\u00e9gional du bureau d&rsquo;Afrique Centrale du CIFOR. Il peut \u00eatre contact\u00e9 \u00e0 <\/b><\/i><\/span><\/span><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><a href=\"mailto:r.atyi@cgiar.org\"><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><i><b>r.atyi@cgiar.org<\/b><\/i><\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><i><b>.<\/b><\/i><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Alors que les donateurs internationaux envisagent de financer des programmes visant la r\u00e9duction des gaz \u00e0 effet de serre issus de la d\u00e9forestation et de la d\u00e9gradation foresti\u00e8res (REDD+), ils s&rsquo;attendent \u00e0 ce que les pays b\u00e9n\u00e9ficiaires fournissent un suivi et des rapports sur l&rsquo;\u00e9tat de leurs for\u00eats. Une nouvelle \u00e9tude publi\u00e9e par le CIFOR [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":97,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[462,161,180,11],"tags":[],"language":[2170],"location":[],"tag-bahasa":[],"tag-espanol":[],"tag-francais":[],"type-espanol":[],"type-bahasa":[],"type-english":[],"type-francais":[],"coauthors":[1041],"class_list":["post-16483","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-climate-change-energy","category-deforestation","category-mitigating-climate-change","category-mrv-2","language-francais"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO Premium plugin v28.4 (Yoast SEO v28.4) - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-premium-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Interview: d\u00e9fis li\u00e9s \u00e0 la surveillance d&#039;une for\u00eat trois fois plus grande que la France - Landscape Alliance Forests News<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.forestsnews.org\/fr\/16483\/interview-defis-lies-a-la-surveillance-dune-foret-trois-fois-plus-grande-que-la-france\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"fr_FR\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Interview: d\u00e9fis li\u00e9s \u00e0 la surveillance d&#039;une for\u00eat trois fois plus grande que la France\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Alors que les donateurs internationaux envisagent de financer des programmes visant la r\u00e9duction des gaz \u00e0 effet de serre issus de la d\u00e9forestation et de la d\u00e9gradation foresti\u00e8res (REDD+), ils s&rsquo;attendent \u00e0 ce que les pays b\u00e9n\u00e9ficiaires fournissent un suivi et des rapports sur l&rsquo;\u00e9tat de leurs for\u00eats. 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